{"id":3801,"date":"2019-06-06T23:59:14","date_gmt":"2019-06-06T20:59:14","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hukukdefterleri.com\/?p=3801"},"modified":"2019-06-06T23:59:14","modified_gmt":"2019-06-06T20:59:14","slug":"soylesi-kursunun-solu-turkiyede-ha%cc%82kimler-var","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hukukdefterleri.com\/?p=3801","title":{"rendered":"S\u00f6yle\u015fi: K\u00fcrs\u00fcn\u00fcn Solu: T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de Hakimler Var"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"page\" title=\"Page 52\">\n<div class=\"layoutArea\">\n<div class=\"column\">\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><em>Yay\u0131n kurulu u\u0308yemiz Avukat Bengisu I\u0307c\u0327ten Tu\u0308rkiye\u2019de yarg\u0131n\u0131n durumu ve do\u0308nu\u0308s\u0327u\u0308mu\u0308, bu su\u0308rec\u0327teki yarg\u0131c\u0327 ve savc\u0131 mu\u0308cadelesi, o\u0308rgu\u0308tlenme deneyimleri ve bu mu\u0308cadele sonucu kars\u0327\u0131 kars\u0327\u0131ya kal\u0131nan su\u0308rgu\u0308n ve bask\u0131lara ilis\u0327kin olarak Emekli Ha\u0302kim Tamer Akgo\u0308kc\u0327e, Naciye Fu\u0308sun C\u0327ag\u0306lar, Mustafa Bag\u0306arkas\u0131 ve halen go\u0308rev yapmakta olan Ha\u0302kim I\u0307brahim Fikri Talman ile bir so\u0308yles\u0327i gerc\u0327ekles\u0327tirdi.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"page\" title=\"Page 52\">\n<div class=\"page\" title=\"Page 52\">\n<div class=\"page\" title=\"Page 52\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"page\" title=\"Page 52\">\n<div class=\"layoutArea\">\n<div class=\"column\">\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Bengisu I\u0307c\u0327ten:<\/span> Uzun y\u0131llard\u0131r yarg\u0131n\u0131n bir unsuru olarak go\u0308rev yapt\u0131n\u0131z\/ yapmaktas\u0131n\u0131z. Sizin ac\u0327\u0131n\u0131zdan yarg\u0131n\u0131n do\u0308nu\u0308s\u0327tu\u0308ru\u0308lmesine yo\u0308nelik mu\u0308dahaleler ne zaman bas\u0327lad\u0131, nas\u0131l bir seyir izledi?<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Tamer Akgo\u0308kc\u0327e:<\/span> Yak\u0131n do\u0308nemde yarg\u0131n\u0131n do\u0308nu\u0308s\u0327tu\u0308ru\u0308lmesi su\u0308reci 2010 y\u0131l\u0131 Anayasa Referandumu ile bas\u0327lad\u0131. Anayasa Referandumunun amac\u0131 Hakimler ve Savc\u0131lar Kurulu ve Anayasa Mahkemesi u\u0308yelerinin yap\u0131s\u0131n\u0131 deg\u0306is\u0327tirmekti. Bu iki kurumun da yeniden dizayn\u0131 hedeflendi. Bundan sonra 2010 HSK sec\u0327imleri ve 2014 HSK sec\u0327imleri ile bu su\u0308rec\u0327 devam etti. 2010 HSK sec\u0327imlerinde bizler YARSAV u\u0308yeleriydik ve ben de adayd\u0131m. Bu sec\u0327imde mevcut iktidar\u0131 destekleyen ha\u0302kim ve savc\u0131lar\u0131n listesine kars\u0327\u0131 bir listeyle c\u0327\u0131kt\u0131k ama kaybettik. Kazan\u0131lsayd\u0131 san\u0131yorum su\u0308rec\u0327 bu noktaya bu kadar kolay gelmezdi, daha zor ve yavas\u0327 bir seyir izlerdi. 2010 HSK sec\u0327imlerinde cemaat ve hu\u0308ku\u0308met birlikte hareket etti. O\u0308rgu\u0308tu\u0308mu\u0308z YARSAV, yarg\u0131 bag\u0306\u0131ms\u0131zl\u0131g\u0306\u0131 ve hukukun u\u0308stu\u0308nlu\u0308g\u0306u\u0308 hususunda duyarl\u0131 kesimlerle birlikte bu tehlikeyi go\u0308rmu\u0308s\u0327 ve referandumda \u201cHay\u0131r\u201d platformu ic\u0327erisinde yer alm\u0131s\u0327t\u0131r. O do\u0308nemde kurulu bir dig\u0306er yarg\u0131 o\u0308rgu\u0308tu\u0308 olan Demokrat Yarg\u0131\u2019n\u0131n yaklas\u0327\u0131m\u0131 ise bunun tam tersi olmus\u0327tur. Bu o\u0308rgu\u0308t, anayasa referandumunda, o\u0308nce iktidar yanl\u0131s\u0131 olus\u0327umla ortak hareket etmeye c\u0327al\u0131s\u0327m\u0131s\u0327 ancak istedig\u0306i kos\u0327ullarda bir ittifak sag\u0306lanamay\u0131nca kendi u\u0308yelerinden birkac\u0327 aday\u0131 destekleme yoluna gitmis\u0327tir. 2010 anayasa referandumunun kaybedilmesi, 2010 HSYK sec\u0327imlerinin FETO\u0308- Hu\u0308ku\u0308met ortakl\u0131g\u0306\u0131nca kazan\u0131lmas\u0131 sonras\u0131nda yarg\u0131n\u0131n do\u0308nu\u0308s\u0327tu\u0308ru\u0308lmesinin kap\u0131s\u0131n\u0131n ard\u0131na kadar ac\u0327\u0131ld\u0131g\u0306\u0131n\u0131 so\u0308ylemek san\u0131r\u0131m mu\u0308mku\u0308ndu\u0308r.<\/p>\n<div class=\"page\" title=\"Page 52\">\n<div class=\"layoutArea\">\n<div class=\"column\">\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">B.I\u0307.:<\/span> 2010 Anayasa Referandumuyla yu\u0308ksek yarg\u0131n\u0131n yap\u0131s\u0131ndaki deg\u0306is\u0327ikliklerin kadrolas\u0327ma ve hakimler, savc\u0131lar ic\u0327indeki muhalif o\u0308rgu\u0308tlenmenin de o\u0308nu\u0308ne gec\u0327mek ad\u0131na yap\u0131ld\u0131g\u0306\u0131n\u0131 so\u0308yleyebilir miyiz?<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">T.A.:<\/span> Elbette. Anayasa deg\u0306is\u0327iklig\u0306inin amac\u0131 o zaten. HSK\u2019n\u0131n ve Anayasa Mahkemesi\u2019nin yap\u0131s\u0131n\u0131 deg\u0306is\u0327tirdig\u0306inizde HSK vas\u0131tas\u0131yla yarg\u0131n\u0131n Tu\u0308rkiye c\u0327ap\u0131ndaki bu\u0308tu\u0308n o\u0308rgu\u0308tlenmesine, atamas\u0131na, terfi ve sorus\u0327turmas\u0131na hakim durumda oluyorsunuz. Az o\u0308nce de belirttig\u0306im gibi ortak listeyle giren cemaat ve hu\u0308ku\u0308mete kars\u0327\u0131 biz kazansayd\u0131k su\u0308rec\u0327 iktidar ac\u0327\u0131s\u0131ndan daha zor gec\u0327erdi ancak iktidarda hic\u0327bir kural\u0131, anayasal du\u0308zenlemeyi tan\u0131mama eg\u0306ilimi oldug\u0306undan de facto fiili durumlar yaratarak, istedikleri yasalar\u0131 apar topar c\u0327\u0131kartarak bu yap\u0131y\u0131 tekrar dizayn edebilirlerdi ki bu durum daha sonralar\u0131 Yarg\u0131tay sec\u0327imlerinde gerc\u0327ekles\u0327ti. Yarg\u0131tay bas\u0327kanl\u0131k sec\u0327imlerini hu\u0308ku\u0308met ve Yarg\u0131da Birlik Platformu\u2019nun olus\u0327turdug\u0306u grup kaybetti. Hemen ard\u0131ndan yeni bir yasal du\u0308zenlemeyle Yarg\u0131tay bas\u0327kanl\u0131k sec\u0327imlerini tekrarlad\u0131lar. Bu olay Yarg\u0131tay\u2019\u0131n dizayn\u0131 ic\u0327in bu\u0308yu\u0308k o\u0308nem arz eder.<\/p>\n<div class=\"page\" title=\"Page 53\">\n<div class=\"layoutArea\">\n<div class=\"column\">\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">I\u0307brahim Fikri Talman:<\/span> Yarg\u0131daki do\u0308nu\u0308s\u0327u\u0308mu\u0308n 2010 referandumu ve sonras\u0131 ile olus\u0327tug\u0306u go\u0308ru\u0308s\u0327u\u0308ne tam kat\u0131lm\u0131yorum. AKP Hu\u0308ku\u0308meti 2002\u2019 de iktidara geldi. Ancak o\u0308zellikle 2005\u2019 ten itibaren AKP kendi kadrolar\u0131n\u0131 ve hatta daha fazla cemaat kadrolar\u0131n\u0131 yarg\u0131daki kritik go\u0308revlere getirmeye bas\u0327lad\u0131. Bas\u0327ta Zekeriya O\u0308z, Fikret Sec\u0327en gibi bu\u0308tu\u0308n Ergenekon- Balyoz yarg\u0131lamalar\u0131n\u0131 yapan cemaat ekibi getirildi. 2010 su\u0308reci bunun anayasal ve yasal dayanaklar\u0131n\u0131 olus\u0327turdu.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">T.A.:<\/span> I\u0307brahim beyin de belirttig\u0306i gibi o\u0308zel yetkili mahkemelere cemaat u\u0308yelerinin atanmas\u0131na da bu do\u0308nemde bas\u0327land\u0131g\u0306\u0131n\u0131 go\u0308ru\u0308yoruz. 2010 Anayasa deg\u0306is\u0327iklig\u0306i ve HSK\u2019n\u0131n kazan\u0131lmas\u0131 ile bundan o\u0308ncesinde yarg\u0131 vas\u0131tas\u0131yla kazand\u0131klar\u0131 durumu, u\u0308lkenin tu\u0308m dig\u0306er kurumlar\u0131n\u0131 adeta devleti ele gec\u0327irmek s\u0327eklinde su\u0308rdu\u0308rdu\u0308ler. Siyasi irade, siyasi ittifak olmasa sadece feto\u0308 kadrolar\u0131 ile bu su\u0308recin gitmesi, yu\u0308ru\u0308mesi mu\u0308mku\u0308n deg\u0306il. Bu nedenle bu ittifaka iki taraf da kendi gereksinimleri ad\u0131na ihtiyac\u0327 duydular.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">B.I\u0307.:<\/span> Peki 2010 sonras\u0131 HSK yap\u0131s\u0131ndaki deg\u0306is\u0327im ile birlikte FETO\u0308 yap\u0131lanmas\u0131n\u0131n yarg\u0131da tam manas\u0131yla kadrolas\u0327t\u0131g\u0306\u0131n\u0131 so\u0308yleyebilir miyiz?<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Mustafa Bag\u0306arkas\u0131:<\/span> 2010 o\u0308ncesi de yarg\u0131 her zaman mu\u0308dahaleye ac\u0327\u0131kt\u0131 ve konjonktu\u0308rden de etkileniyordu. Ancak bu etkilenme istisnai ve c\u0327og\u0306unlukla baz\u0131 hakimlerin kis\u0327isel h\u0131rslar\u0131 ve endis\u0327elerinin kararlar\u0131na yans\u0131mas\u0131 s\u0327eklinde oluyordu. Cemaatin Devlet Gu\u0308venlik Mahkemeleri\u2019ne s\u0131zmas\u0131nda da 2010 o\u0308ncesi HSK\u2019 da onlar\u0131 atayanlar elbette onlar\u0131n FE TO\u0308 u\u0308yesi olduklar\u0131n\u0131 bilmiyorlard\u0131. Asl\u0131nda bu go\u0308revler mahiyeti gereg\u0306i hakimler taraf\u0131ndan pek tercih edilmiyordu. Ancak cemaat yarg\u0131y\u0131 do\u0308nu\u0308s\u0327tu\u0308rme derdinde oldug\u0306u ic\u0327in bu makamlara kendilerini de gizleyerek s\u0131zmay\u0131 bas\u0327ard\u0131lar. 2010 HSK sec\u0327imlerine hu\u0308ku\u0308met ve cemaat tam bir ittifakla girdi. 7 as\u0131l 4 yedek 11 u\u0308ye vard\u0131. Fakat cemaatc\u0327iler oy verirken cemaatc\u0327i d\u0131s\u0327\u0131ndaki muhafazaka\u0302r grup adaylar\u0131na oy vermemis\u0327ler. Dolay\u0131s\u0131yla o\u0308yle olunca da cemaatc\u0327iler o\u0308ne c\u0327\u0131km\u0131s\u0327 oldu. Birbirleriyle c\u0327at\u0131s\u0327malar\u0131 o do\u0308nemden bas\u0327lad\u0131. 2010 HSK sec\u0327imleri yarg\u0131y\u0131 tamamen mevcut hu\u0308ku\u0308metin kol kanat gerip dog\u0306rudan destekledig\u0306i fettullahc\u0327\u0131 cemaatin mensuplar\u0131n\u0131n yer ald\u0131g\u0306\u0131 listenin zaferiyle sonuc\u0327land\u0131. Bu zaferin sonucu olarak cemaat yarg\u0131da mutlak so\u0308z sahibi oldu. Mevcut hu\u0308ku\u0308met ile s\u0327imdi feto\u0308 denen cemaat yarg\u0131 eliyle Tu\u0308rkiye Cumhuriyeti\u2019nin yap\u0131 tas\u0327lar\u0131n\u0131 do\u0308nu\u0308s\u0327tu\u0308rme as\u0327amas\u0131na birlikte gec\u0327tiler.<\/p>\n<div class=\"page\" title=\"Page 53\">\n<div class=\"layoutArea\">\n<div class=\"column\">\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">T.A.:<\/span> Birinci soruya cevap verirken so\u0308yledig\u0306im gibi, 2010 HSYK sec\u0327imlerinin iktidar yandas\u0327lar\u0131nca kazan\u0131lmas\u0131, FETO\u0308 adl\u0131 yap\u0131n\u0131n yarg\u0131 ic\u0327inde serbestc\u0327e o\u0308rgu\u0308tlenmesinin o\u0308nu\u0308nu\u0308n ac\u0327\u0131lmas\u0131 sonucunu da dog\u0306urmus\u0327tur. Ancak o\u0308zellikle \u201co\u0308zel yetkili\u201d mahkemeler ve savc\u0131l\u0131klarda FETO\u0308 o\u0308rgu\u0308tlenmesi ic\u0327inde yer ald\u0131g\u0306\u0131 anlas\u0327\u0131lan bir k\u0131s\u0131m ha\u0302kim ve savc\u0131lar\u0131n 2010 o\u0308ncesi HSYK taraf\u0131ndan da -iyi niyetli bir yorumla- bu yap\u0131n\u0131n gizlilik duvar\u0131n\u0131n as\u0327\u0131lamamas\u0131 nedeniyle, atanm\u0131s\u0327 olduklar\u0131n\u0131 da bugu\u0308n net bir s\u0327ekilde go\u0308ru\u0308yoruz. I\u0307ktidar ve FE TO\u0308 o\u0308rgu\u0308tlenmesinin yarg\u0131n\u0131n her kademesine ha\u0302kim olmas\u0131 ise Ergenekon, Balyoz ve Oda T V davalar\u0131yla bas\u0327lay\u0131p tu\u0308m muhalif kesimlerin susturulmas\u0131, susmayanlar\u0131n o\u0308zgu\u0308rlu\u0308klerinden mahrum b\u0131rak\u0131lmas\u0131, yeni muktedirin yarg\u0131 bas\u0327ta olmak u\u0308zere yerles\u0327ik tu\u0308m kurumlar\u0131 adeta devletin yeni s\u0131n\u0131fsal yap\u0131s\u0131na go\u0308re yeniden dizayn\u0131n\u0131n sag\u0306lanmas\u0131 ile olmus\u0327, bu su\u0308rec\u0327 15 Temmuz darbe giris\u0327imi ile bir u\u0308st as\u0327amaya evrilmis\u0327tir.<\/p>\n<div class=\"page\" style=\"text-align: justify;\" title=\"Page 54\">\n<div class=\"layoutArea\">\n<div class=\"column\">\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">B.\u0130.: <\/span>Yarg\u0131daki bu deg\u0306is\u0327im ve do\u0308nu\u0308s\u0327u\u0308mde sessiz kal\u0131nmamas\u0131 gerektig\u0306iniz du\u0308s\u0327u\u0308nen ha\u0302kim\/savc\u0131lardan biriydiniz\/birisiniz. Bu mu\u0308dahale ve do\u0308nu\u0308s\u0327u\u0308m kars\u0327\u0131s\u0131nda, farkl\u0131 o\u0308rgu\u0308tlenme modelleri ic\u0327inde mu\u0308cadele etmeye c\u0327al\u0131s\u0327t\u0131n\u0131z. Sizin kendi tarihinizde, bu deneyim nas\u0131l gerc\u0327ekles\u0327ti ve iktidar\u0131n bu konuda sizi sessiz k\u0131lmak ic\u0327in neler yapt\u0131g\u0306\u0131n\u0131 anlatabilir misiniz? Bu ac\u0327\u0131dan, su\u0308rgu\u0308n kararnamelerine ilis\u0327kin deg\u0306erlendirmeleriniz nelerdir?<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"page\" title=\"Page 54\">\n<div class=\"layoutArea\">\n<div class=\"column\">\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Naciye Fu\u0308sun C\u0327ag\u0306lar:<\/span> Tu\u0308m siyasi iktidarlar yarg\u0131y\u0131 ellerinin alt\u0131nda bulundurmak isterler. CHP de iktidarda oldug\u0306u veya Adalet Bakanl\u0131g\u0306\u0131 onlarda oldug\u0306u do\u0308nemde HSK\u2019daki Adalet Bakanl\u0131g\u0306\u0131 ve mu\u0308stes\u0327ar\u0131n bu yap\u0131dan c\u0327\u0131kar\u0131lmas\u0131na ilis\u0327kin hic\u0327bir giris\u0327imde bulunmad\u0131. Yarg\u0131 mensuplar\u0131, yarg\u0131n\u0131n genel yap\u0131s\u0131 kanaatimce yarg\u0131 bag\u0306\u0131ms\u0131zl\u0131g\u0306\u0131ndan ziyade gu\u0308c\u0327ten yana oldu. O\u0308zellikle 2010\u2019dan bu yana go\u0308zlemim bu yo\u0308nde.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">B.I\u0307.:<\/span> Asl\u0131nda deg\u0306inmek istedig\u0306im konulardan biri de bu. Toplum nezdinde daha bag\u0306\u0131ms\u0131z, daha korkusuz olmas\u0131 gereken, en az\u0131ndan o\u0308yle addedilen hakim ve savc\u0131lar memurlara ve dig\u0306er is\u0327 kollar\u0131na go\u0308re daha az o\u0308rgu\u0308tlu\u0308.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">N.F.C\u0327.:<\/span> Yarg\u0131c\u0327lar Sendikas\u0131 ve YARSAV d\u0131s\u0327\u0131nda yarg\u0131c\u0327 ve savc\u0131lar\u0131n c\u0327og\u0306unlug\u0306u gu\u0308c\u0327ten yana tav\u0131r al\u0131rlar, ald\u0131lar ve alacaklar da. Benim mevcut durumda yarg\u0131yla ilgili bir umudum yok. Bu s\u0327ekilde 2010 HSK sec\u0327imleri yap\u0131ld\u0131. Biz de 2800 civar\u0131 oy ald\u0131k. Kazanamad\u0131k ama kazanmaktan daha o\u0308nemli olan s\u0327ey bizim durus\u0327umuzdu ve biz o\u0308rgu\u0308tsel olarak o durus\u0327umuzu sergiledik. S\u0327unu da belirtmek gerek o zamanlar mevcut hu\u0308ku\u0308met YAR-SAV\u2019\u0131 denetim alt\u0131na almak ve itibars\u0131zlas\u0327t\u0131rmak ad\u0131na bir gecede 300 400 toplu u\u0308ye kayd\u0131 yapt\u0131rd\u0131. Hepsi feto\u0308cu\u0308 imis\u0327 ancak hakim olarak go\u0308rev yap\u0131yorlard\u0131. Bunlar\u0131n hepsini hu\u0308ku\u0308met yerles\u0327tirdi. Daha sonra tu\u0308zu\u0308k deg\u0306is\u0327iklig\u0306ine gittik ve referansla u\u0308ye kayd\u0131 yapmaya bas\u0327lad\u0131k. Ondan sonra tek bir feto\u0308cu\u0308 hakim veya savc\u0131 ne YAR-SAV\u2019a ne de Yarg\u0131c\u0327lar Sendikas\u0131\u2019na giremedi. I\u0307lk do\u0308nemde meslek o\u0308rgu\u0308tu\u0308 oldug\u0306u ic\u0327in hakim savc\u0131 olup bas\u0327vuran herkes al\u0131n\u0131yordu.<\/p>\n<div class=\"page\" title=\"Page 54\">\n<div class=\"layoutArea\">\n<div class=\"column\">\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">T.A.:<\/span> O\u0308rgu\u0308tlu\u0308 mu\u0308cadele Tu\u0308rkiye geleneg\u0306inde yarg\u0131c\u0327lar ve savc\u0131lar aras\u0131nda olan bir s\u0327ey deg\u0306il. Tu\u0308rkiye\u2019 nin o\u0308yle bir geleneg\u0306i yok. Bizden o\u0308nceki do\u0308nemde bireysel kars\u0327\u0131 c\u0327\u0131k\u0131s\u0327lar, bireysel u\u0308retimler var. Onlar\u0131n say\u0131s\u0131 bile c\u0327ok az. 2006 y\u0131l\u0131nda YAR-SAV\u2019\u0131n kurulus\u0327uyla birlikte ilk defa Tu\u0308rkiye yarg\u0131 tarihinde yarg\u0131c\u0327lar ve savc\u0131lar\u0131n o\u0308rgu\u0308tlenmesi gu\u0308ndeme geldi. Bu c\u0327ok o\u0308nemlidir. Bu nedenle kurulmas\u0131n\u0131n hemen ard\u0131ndan iktidar ve muktedir valilik ve idare vas\u0131tas\u0131yla YAR-SAV\u2019\u0131n kapat\u0131lmas\u0131 ic\u0327in giris\u0327imlerde bulundu. Fakat Dan\u0131s\u0327tay karar\u0131 ile bu sald\u0131r\u0131 bertaraf edildi. 2006 do\u0308neminde hakimler ve savc\u0131lar aras\u0131nda o\u0308rgu\u0308tlu\u0308 yap\u0131n\u0131n ortaya c\u0327\u0131kmas\u0131 u\u0308ye olmayan hakim ve savc\u0131lar ac\u0327\u0131s\u0131ndan da moral yaratt\u0131. Bir taraftan yarg\u0131 ic\u0327indeki haks\u0131zl\u0131klara, hukuksuzluklara kars\u0327\u0131 o\u0308rgu\u0308tlenirken o\u0308te yandan o\u0308zlu\u0308k haklar\u0131 ac\u0327\u0131s\u0131ndan da bir o\u0308rgu\u0308tlenme so\u0308z konusu. Bir tak\u0131m ic\u0327 sorunlar olsa da YAR-SAV\u2019\u0131n kurulus\u0327u gec\u0327mis\u0327 do\u0308nemden bizi ay\u0131ran en o\u0308nemli s\u0327ey. Ayn\u0131 damar, ayn\u0131 du\u0308s\u0327u\u0308nce ve durus\u0327 Yarg\u0131-Sen ve Yarg\u0131c\u0327lar Sendikas\u0131 ile devam etti. Yarg\u0131da tarihsel k\u0131r\u0131lma do\u0308nemleri dedig\u0306imiz 2010 anayasa deg\u0306is\u0327iklig\u0306i, 2010 HSK sec\u0327imleri ve 2014 HSK sec\u0327imlerinde bu damar\u0131n bu o\u0308rgu\u0308tlu\u0308 yap\u0131n\u0131n durus\u0327u onurlu bir durus\u0327tu. Yarg\u0131n\u0131n bag\u0306\u0131ms\u0131zl\u0131g\u0306\u0131, hukukun u\u0308stu\u0308nlu\u0308g\u0306u\u0308, k\u0131dem ve liyakat ilkeleri c\u0327erc\u0327evesinden yarg\u0131n\u0131n demokratik ve bag\u0306\u0131ms\u0131z bir yap\u0131da olus\u0327mas\u0131n\u0131 hedefleyen bunun mu\u0308cadelesini veren bir durus\u0327 ve o\u0308rgu\u0308tlu\u0308lu\u0308k so\u0308z konusuydu.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">I\u0307.F.T.:<\/span> I\u0307laveten daha genis\u0327 kapsaml\u0131 olarak demokratik hak ve o\u0308zgu\u0308rlu\u0308klere de sahip c\u0327\u0131kan, sadece yarg\u0131 c\u0327erc\u0327evesinde olmayan bir yap\u0131 diyebiliriz.<\/p>\n<div class=\"page\" title=\"Page 55\">\n<div class=\"layoutArea\">\n<div class=\"column\">\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">N.F.C\u0327.:<\/span> Bu durumda yarg\u0131y\u0131 elinde bulundurmak isteyen gu\u0308c\u0327leri c\u0327ok rahats\u0131z etti. Bundan sonra da bu yap\u0131y\u0131 suland\u0131rmak ad\u0131na az o\u0308nce de bahsettig\u0306imiz toplu u\u0308ye kayd\u0131 gibi giris\u0327imler oldu. Tabi bunlar ortaya c\u0327\u0131kt\u0131ktan sonra bir tu\u0308zu\u0308k deg\u0306is\u0327iklig\u0306ine gidildi. 15 Temmuzdan sonra YAR-SAV feto\u0308cu\u0308 denmeye bas\u0327land\u0131 ancak gerc\u0327ek YAR-SAV\u2019l\u0131lar\u0131n feto\u0308 ile uzaktan yak\u0131ndan alakas\u0131 yok.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">T.A.:<\/span> Her s\u0327eyin z\u0131dd\u0131n\u0131 bar\u0131nd\u0131rd\u0131g\u0306\u0131 gibi, yarg\u0131y\u0131 yarg\u0131n\u0131n unsurlar\u0131n\u0131 da kullanarak ele gec\u0327irmeye c\u0327al\u0131s\u0327an ha\u0302kim anlay\u0131s\u0327, kars\u0327\u0131s\u0131nda yarg\u0131n\u0131n bag\u0306\u0131ms\u0131zl\u0131g\u0306\u0131n\u0131 ve hukukun u\u0308stu\u0308nlu\u0308g\u0306u\u0308nu\u0308 temel alan ve yarg\u0131n\u0131n bugu\u0308n, yar\u0131n ve her zaman\u0131n muktedirlerden uzak, onlara dayanmaks\u0131z\u0131n ve onlardan etkilenmeksizin; bas\u0327ta ha\u0302kim ve savc\u0131lar olmak u\u0308zere bu\u0308tu\u0308n yarg\u0131 biles\u0327enlerinin (yaz\u0131 is\u0327leri mu\u0308du\u0308rleri, ka\u0302tip ve mu\u0308bas\u0327irler, is\u0327 yerlerimizde c\u0327al\u0131s\u0327an tu\u0308m emekc\u0327iler) bag\u0306\u0131ms\u0131z o\u0308rgu\u0308tlenmesi ile demokratik bir is\u0327leyis\u0327e kavus\u0327abileceg\u0306i du\u0308s\u0327u\u0308ncesini ve sonra o\u0308rgu\u0308tlenmelerini yaratt\u0131. Burada s\u0327unu da belirtmek gerek 2010 ve 2014\u2019 teki su\u0308rec\u0327lerde bu durus\u0327u ve YAR-SAV ve Yarg\u0131c\u0327lar Sendikas\u0131\u2019n\u0131n siyasetini belirleyen demokrat ha\u0302kim ve savc\u0131lard\u0131. Tu\u0308zu\u0308kteki ha\u0302kim savc\u0131 olma kos\u0327ulundan faydalan\u0131p s\u0131zan feto\u0308cu\u0308ler YAR-SAV\u2019\u0131n dernek ve sendikal siyasetini belirleyen unsurlar deg\u0306ildi. YAR-SAV ve Yarg\u0131c\u0327lar Sendikas\u0131\u2019n\u0131n bir dig\u0306er o\u0308zellig\u0306i de yarg\u0131 o\u0308rgu\u0308tlenmesini sadece hakim, savc\u0131 o\u0308rgu\u0308tlenmesi temelinde almamas\u0131. Dig\u0306er biles\u0327enlerle birlikte adliye ic\u0327indeki yaz\u0131 is\u0327leri mu\u0308du\u0308rleri, katipler, mu\u0308bas\u0327irler, adliyede c\u0327al\u0131s\u0327an temizlik is\u0327c\u0327ileri, gu\u0308venlik ve mutfak is\u0327c\u0327ilerini bir bu\u0308tu\u0308n olarak go\u0308ru\u0308p onlar\u0131n sorunlar\u0131n\u0131 da kendi sorunlar\u0131 olarak go\u0308ru\u0308p kolektif bir anlay\u0131s\u0327 ic\u0327erisinde hareket etmesidir. O\u0308rneg\u0306in I\u0307stanbul Anadolu Adliyesi\u2019nde temizlik ve mutfak is\u0327c\u0327ilerinin direnis\u0327ine dig\u0306er sendikalarla birlikte YAR- SAV ve Yarg\u0131c\u0327lar Sendikas\u0131 omuz vermis\u0327tir ve bu direnis\u0327 belli kazan\u0131mlarla sonuc\u0327lanm\u0131s\u0327t\u0131r. Bu farkl\u0131 bir yap\u0131, o\u0308zellik ve durus\u0327 s\u0327ekli olarak o\u0308nemlidir.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Ben de YARSAV ve Yarg\u0131c\u0327lar Sendikas\u0131 u\u0308yelig\u0306i ve yo\u0308netim kademelerinde ve 2010 sec\u0327imlerinde YARSAV listesinden aday olarak katk\u0131da bulundug\u0306um bu mu\u0308cadelenin bir \u201cneticesi\u201d olarak 30 y\u0131ll\u0131k ceza hukuku deneyimime rag\u0306men bir is\u0327 mahkemesine su\u0308rgu\u0308n edildim. Sonras\u0131nda ise mobbing bask\u0131s\u0131 ve can gu\u0308venlig\u0306i kayg\u0131lar\u0131yla meslekten ayr\u0131lmak zorunda kald\u0131m. Yine de du\u0308s\u0327u\u0308nu\u0308yorum ki bu bizim c\u0327ocuklar\u0131m\u0131za b\u0131rakabileceg\u0306imiz en o\u0308nemli miras&#8230;<\/p>\n<div class=\"page\" title=\"Page 55\">\n<div class=\"layoutArea\">\n<div class=\"column\">\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Sorunuzun deg\u0306erlendirmeye ilis\u0327kin k\u0131sm\u0131n\u0131 s\u0327o\u0308yle cevapland\u0131rabilirim:<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Bu su\u0308rec\u0327te o\u0308ncelikle 2010 y\u0131l\u0131ndaki su\u0308rgu\u0308n kararnamesini go\u0308ru\u0308yoruz. K\u0131dem ve liyakat bir yana b\u0131rak\u0131larak c\u0327\u0131kart\u0131lan kararnameyle o\u0308zellikle Yarg\u0131tay savc\u0131lar\u0131n\u0131n su\u0308rgu\u0308nu\u0308ne tan\u0131k olduk. Yine bu do\u0308nemde, Tu\u0308rkiye\u2019nin bu\u0308yu\u0308k il adliyelerinde go\u0308revli bas\u0327savc\u0131, bas\u0327savc\u0131 vekili, ag\u0306\u0131r ceza mahkemesi bas\u0327kanlar\u0131n\u0131n istemleri d\u0131s\u0327\u0131nda yerlerinin deg\u0306is\u0327tirilmesi so\u0308z konusu olmus\u0327tu. Atananlar\u0131n ortak o\u0308zellig\u0306i HSYK\u2019n\u0131n o gu\u0308nku\u0308 biles\u0327imine kars\u0327\u0131 c\u0327\u0131km\u0131s\u0327 isimler olmalar\u0131yd\u0131. Bu su\u0308rec\u0327te, herkesin iyi insan, iyi hukukc\u0327u olarak tan\u0131d\u0131g\u0306\u0131, arkadas\u0327\u0131m\u0131z, Cumhuriyet Savc\u0131s\u0131 Faruk Ermenak, I\u0307stanbul Beykoz Adliyesi\u2019nden Kocaeli Gebze adliyesine su\u0308ru\u0308lmesinin stresi alt\u0131nda kalp krizi gec\u0327irerek vefat etti. Ayn\u0131 do\u0308nemde stajyer ha\u0302kim arkadas\u0327\u0131m\u0131z Didem Yaylal\u0131, maruz b\u0131rak\u0131ld\u0131g\u0306\u0131 idari sorus\u0327turma bask\u0131s\u0131 alt\u0131nda intihar etti. Yarg\u0131c\u0131n cog\u0306rafi gu\u0308vencesi, aileye ilis\u0327kin memur haklar\u0131 ve o\u0308zel hayata ilis\u0327kin du\u0308zenlemelere ayk\u0131r\u0131 olarak yap\u0131lan is\u0327lemlerin bo\u0308yle ac\u0131 sonuc\u0327lar\u0131 oldug\u0306unu belirtmek gerekiyor.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">2010\u2019 dan itibaren bu tu\u0308r kararnameler devam etti. Kimi Ag\u0306\u0131r Ceza Mahkemelerinin heyetleri dag\u0306\u0131ld\u0131, savc\u0131l\u0131k makamlar\u0131 bos\u0327ald\u0131. 2014 HSYK\u2019s\u0131 ve Y\u2019si c\u0327\u0131kart\u0131lm\u0131s\u0327 HSK do\u0308nemlerinde c\u0327\u0131kan en genis\u0327 kapsaml\u0131 kararname 2017 yaz kararnamesi idi. Bu kararnamenin o\u0308nemli bir o\u0308zellig\u0306i Yarg\u0131c\u0327lar Sendikas\u0131 yo\u0308netimini toplanamaz hale getirmesi ve Sendika\u2019n\u0131n bu nedenle olag\u0306anu\u0308stu\u0308 genel kurula gitmesidir. Pek c\u0327ok u\u0308yemiz su\u0308rgu\u0308n edilmekle kalmad\u0131, u\u0308yemiz ve arkadas\u0327\u0131m\u0131z Ha\u0302kim Abuzer Kara, I\u0307stanbul Adliyesinden Ordu Adliyesine atand\u0131g\u0306\u0131 stresli su\u0308rec\u0327te kalp krizi gec\u0327irerek hayat\u0131n\u0131 kaybetti.<\/p>\n<div class=\"page\" title=\"Page 56\">\n<div class=\"layoutArea\">\n<div class=\"column\">\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">YARSAV, 23 Temmuz 2016 tarihinde c\u0327\u0131kart\u0131lan 667 say\u0131l\u0131 kararname ile ilk kapat\u0131lan derneklerden biri oldu. Dernek bas\u0327kan\u0131 Murat Arslan, adil yarg\u0131lanmaya ilis\u0327kin tu\u0308m ilkelere ayk\u0131r\u0131, so\u0308z gelimi 5 y\u0131ldan fazla cezay\u0131 gerektirir suc\u0327larda bulundurulmas\u0131 gereken mu\u0308dafi dahi yoklug\u0306unda yap\u0131lan bir yarg\u0131lama sonunda 10 y\u0131l hapis cezas\u0131na c\u0327arpt\u0131r\u0131ld\u0131. Arslan, durumuna gerekli ilgi go\u0308sterilmemis\u0327 olsa da yarg\u0131lama s\u0131ras\u0131nda tavr\u0131 ve tutumuyla bir yarg\u0131 derneg\u0306i bas\u0327kan\u0131na yak\u0131s\u0327\u0131r, onurlu bir durus\u0327 go\u0308stermis\u0327, YARSAV ve Yarg\u0131c\u0327lar Sendikas\u0131n\u0131n mu\u0308cadelesi ic\u0327in o\u0308rnek olus\u0327turmus\u0327tur.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">B.I\u0307.:<span style=\"color: #000000;\"> Peki, gu\u0308nu\u0308mu\u0308ze gelirsek, 15 Temmuz sonras\u0131nda yarg\u0131da FE TO\u0308 kadrolas\u0327mas\u0131n\u0131 ortadan kald\u0131rmak ic\u0327in birc\u0327ok ha\u0302kim savc\u0131 ve adliye personeli ihrac\u0327 edildi. Siz amaca ulas\u0327\u0131ld\u0131g\u0306\u0131n\u0131 du\u0308s\u0327u\u0308nu\u0308yor musunuz? Gu\u0308nu\u0308mu\u0308zde yarg\u0131n\u0131n durumunu nas\u0131l deg\u0306erlendiriyorsunuz? Bir cemaatten bos\u0327alan koltug\u0306a farkl\u0131 bir cemaat ya da farkl\u0131 cemaatlerden olus\u0327an koalisyon bir kadro mu yerles\u0327tiriliyor?<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">M.B.:<\/span> 15 Temmuz\u2019dan sonra siyasi iktidar\u0131n elinde listeler vard\u0131. O liste kapsam\u0131nda 16 Temmuz\u2019 da hemen ihrac\u0327lar bas\u0327lad\u0131. Peki bu listelere iktidar bu kadar k\u0131sa zamanda nas\u0131l ulas\u0327t\u0131 dersek bu listeler zaten iktidar\u0131n elindeydi. 2000\u2019li y\u0131llardan beri fettullahc\u0327\u0131 kis\u0327iler bas\u0327l\u0131 bas\u0327\u0131na bu kimlikleri nedeniyle mesleg\u0306e kabul edilmis\u0327lerdi. Gerek Adalet Bakanl\u0131g\u0306\u0131 gerekse HSK\u2019da kendini muhafazaka\u0302r, mu\u0308tedeyyin olarak niteleyen dig\u0306er unsurlar yarg\u0131daki Feto\u0308cu\u0308lerin kimler olduklar\u0131n\u0131 zaten birebir biliyorlard\u0131. Ve zaten etkin yerlere de o kimlikleri bilinerek getirildiler. Kamuoyuna da yans\u0131yan hu\u0308ku\u0308met ve cemaat ters du\u0308s\u0327mesinden, kendi ic\u0327lerindeki ayr\u0131s\u0327madan sonra feto\u0308cu\u0308leri tasfiye etmeye bas\u0327lad\u0131lar. Feto\u0308cu\u0308lerin yerine de yarg\u0131 bag\u0306\u0131ms\u0131zl\u0131g\u0306\u0131n\u0131 savunan, yarg\u0131c\u0327 kimlig\u0306i o\u0308n plana c\u0327\u0131km\u0131s\u0327, tarafs\u0131zl\u0131g\u0306\u0131yla tan\u0131nan, hukuki bilgi ve mu\u0308ktesebatlar\u0131yla o\u0308ne c\u0327\u0131km\u0131s\u0327 kimseleri getirmek yerine menzil, hak-yol gibi cemaatlerden bir tak\u0131m kimseleri etkin go\u0308revlere getirdiler. I\u0307stedikleri du\u0308zeni bizler gibi insanlarla sag\u0306layamayacaklar\u0131n\u0131 zaten biliyorlard\u0131. At go\u0308zlu\u0308g\u0306u\u0308 takm\u0131s\u0327, emir talimat ilis\u0327kisini sekteye ug\u0306ratmayan, problem c\u0327\u0131karmayacak bir yarg\u0131c\u0327 kimlig\u0306i aray\u0131s\u0327\u0131 ic\u0327inde olduklar\u0131 ic\u0327in ellerinin alt\u0131ndaki farkl\u0131 cemaatlerden kadrolar\u0131 etkin yerlere yerles\u0327tirdiler.<\/p>\n<div class=\"page\" title=\"Page 56\">\n<div class=\"layoutArea\">\n<div class=\"column\">\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">B.I\u0307.:<\/span> Yani zihniyetin ayn\u0131 oldug\u0306unu ancak mu\u0308ttefiklerin deg\u0306is\u0327tig\u0306ini so\u0308yleyebiliriz.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">M.B.:<\/span> cemaatin ad\u0131 deg\u0306is\u0327ti sadece. Feto\u0308cu\u0308ler gitti bas\u0327ka dini cemaatler geldi. Bu yarg\u0131 bag\u0306\u0131ms\u0131zl\u0131g\u0306\u0131n\u0131 sag\u0306lar m\u0131 elbette sag\u0306lamaz. Feto\u0308cu\u0308lerin kimler olduklar\u0131 iktidar taraf\u0131ndan iyi biliniyor, c\u0327u\u0308nku\u0308 kendileri ald\u0131lar. Bir de daha sonra iltisak diye bir s\u0327ey c\u0327\u0131kard\u0131lar. I\u0307ltisakl\u0131 olanlar da feto\u0308cu\u0308 deg\u0306il ama dig\u0306er dini gruplardand\u0131. 17-25 Aral\u0131k olaylar\u0131ndan sonra kendini muhafazakar ve mu\u0308tedeyyin olarak niteleyenlerin o\u0308nlerine bir sec\u0327enek sunuldu. Ya bizimlesin ya da seni fettullahc\u0327\u0131 sayar\u0131z olarak o\u0308zetlenebilecek bir sec\u0327enek. Tabi ayr\u0131s\u0327ma yas\u0327an\u0131nca, gu\u0308c\u0327te hu\u0308ku\u0308metten yana olunca hepsi hu\u0308ku\u0308metten yana yer ald\u0131lar. Bu arada Yarg\u0131da Birlik Platformu diye bir platform olus\u0327turdular. Hatta bizleri bile davet ettiler. Fakat biz tabi ne hu\u0308ku\u0308met ne cemaat dedik. Yarg\u0131 bag\u0306\u0131ms\u0131zl\u0131g\u0306\u0131n\u0131n o\u0308nemine vurgu yapt\u0131k. Dolay\u0131s\u0131yla yu\u0308ru\u0308tmeyle is\u0327 yapamayacag\u0306\u0131m\u0131z\u0131 so\u0308yledik. Bu ayn\u0131 zamanda anayasal bir durus\u0327. Mesela 17-25 Aral\u0131k yolsuzluklar\u0131 sorus\u0327turulsun ancak cemaatc\u0327iler taraf\u0131ndan sorus\u0327turulmas\u0131n diyorduk. Biz yarg\u0131c\u0327 olarak yolsuzluklar sorus\u0327turulmas\u0131n diyebilir miyiz? Bu\u0308tu\u0308n yolsuzluk iddialar\u0131 sorus\u0327turulmas\u0131 laz\u0131m ama hukuka uygun yo\u0308ntemlerle. Bunu feto\u0308cu\u0308ler elbette yapamaz. At go\u0308zlu\u0308g\u0306u\u0308 takm\u0131s\u0327, s\u0327artlanm\u0131s\u0327 kis\u0327iler ister feto\u0308den ister bas\u0327ka bir cemaatten olsun birilerinden talimat olarak bu is\u0327i yu\u0308ru\u0308tenler ne sorus\u0327turma ne yarg\u0131lama yapabilir.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">B.I\u0307.:<\/span> S\u0327u da var. Yarg\u0131 ve devlet ic\u0327indeki kirli gu\u0308c\u0327 savas\u0327\u0131na sizin gibi durus\u0327u olan hakim ve savc\u0131lar\u0131n alet olmas\u0131 zaten du\u0308s\u0327u\u0308nu\u0308lemez. C\u0327u\u0308nku\u0308 samimi bir adil yarg\u0131lama gayesi veya yolsuzlukla mu\u0308cadele isteg\u0306i ic\u0327ermiyor.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">T.A.:<\/span> 17-25 Aral\u0131k sorus\u0327turmalar\u0131n\u0131 feto\u0308cu\u0308 ha\u0302kim ve savc\u0131lar\u0131n yapmas\u0131 nas\u0131l bir handikapsa, 15 Temmuz\u2019 dan sonra feto\u0308cu\u0308lerin yarg\u0131 ic\u0327inden tasfiyesini de suc\u0327un, ittifak\u0131n dig\u0306er kanad\u0131 olan iktidar\u0131n yapmas\u0131 da bir handikap. Bunlar\u0131n bag\u0306\u0131ms\u0131z yarg\u0131 mensuplar\u0131 taraf\u0131ndan yap\u0131lmas\u0131 gerekiyor. Ancak o zaman yolsuzlug\u0306un da, cemaatlerin de, yarg\u0131 ic\u0327erisindeki feto\u0308cu\u0308lerinde tasfiyesi, sistem d\u0131s\u0327\u0131na c\u0327\u0131kar\u0131lmas\u0131 so\u0308z konusu olabilir. Eldivenin tersyu\u0308z edilmis\u0327 s\u0327ekli gibi olan cemaat ve hu\u0308ku\u0308metin birbiriyle mu\u0308cadele etmesi, birbirini hukuk ic\u0327erisinde temizlemesi, bu mu\u0308cadelenin bas\u0327ar\u0131ya ulas\u0327mas\u0131 bu ortakl\u0131g\u0306\u0131n nitelig\u0306inden dolay\u0131 mu\u0308mku\u0308n deg\u0306il. Bunlar\u0131n taraf\u0131 olmayan bir u\u0308c\u0327u\u0308ncu\u0308 yap\u0131n\u0131n, bag\u0306\u0131ms\u0131zl\u0131kc\u0327\u0131, hukukun u\u0308stu\u0308nlu\u0308g\u0306u\u0308nu\u0308 dert edinen, adil yarg\u0131lanmay\u0131 savunan bir yap\u0131n\u0131n her iki tarafla da ilgili hukuksuzluklarla mu\u0308cadele etmesi zaruri. Bu o\u0308rgu\u0308tlenme ic\u0327erisinde de biz YAR-SAV ve Yarg\u0131c\u0327lar Sendikas\u0131 bo\u0308yle bir yap\u0131y\u0131 temsil ettig\u0306imiz du\u0308s\u0327u\u0308nu\u0308yoruz.<\/p>\n<div class=\"page\" title=\"Page 57\">\n<div class=\"layoutArea\">\n<div class=\"column\">\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">I\u0307. F. T.:<\/span> Mesleg\u0306e bas\u0327lad\u0131g\u0306\u0131mdan beri go\u0308zlemledig\u0306im bir konu olarak hakim savc\u0131lar\u0131n bu\u0308yu\u0308k o\u0308lc\u0327u\u0308de sag\u0306 go\u0308ru\u0308s\u0327lu\u0308 ve hatta fas\u0327izan eg\u0306ilimli olanlar\u0131 yarg\u0131ya al\u0131nm\u0131s\u0327t\u0131r. Bunlar az\u0131msanacak bir say\u0131da da deg\u0306ildir. Ama ne var ki c\u0327og\u0306unluk ic\u0327inde pek etkileri olmuyordu. 15 Temmuz sonras\u0131nda siyasi iktidar\u0131n mu\u0308ttefiki oldular. Yarg\u0131da Birlik Platformu\u2019na kat\u0131ld\u0131klar\u0131 gibi daha sonra kurulan Yarg\u0131da Birlik Derneg\u0306i\u2019nin de u\u0308yeleri oldular. Onlar da feto\u0308 cemaati mensuplar\u0131 gibi bu\u0308tu\u0308n kritik go\u0308revlere, Yarg\u0131tay u\u0308yeliklerine, daire bas\u0327kanl\u0131klar\u0131na getirildiler ve halen siyasi iktidar\u0131n mu\u0308ttefiki konumundalar.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">B.I\u0307.:<\/span> S\u0327o\u0308yle diyebiliriz san\u0131r\u0131m, iktidar feto\u0308 cemaatini tasfiye ettikten sonra bu\u0308yu\u0308k o\u0308lc\u0327u\u0308de kadrosuz kald\u0131. Yetis\u0327mis\u0327 kadrolar\u0131 olmad\u0131g\u0306\u0131ndan tek bir cemaatle deg\u0306il hatta sadece yarg\u0131da da deg\u0306il I\u0307c\u0327is\u0327leri Bakanl\u0131g\u0306\u0131\u2019nda, Milli Eg\u0306itim Bakanl\u0131g\u0306\u0131\u2019nda u\u0308lku\u0308cu\u0308ler, menzilciler gibi farkl\u0131 cemaat ve gruplarla ittifak yapt\u0131lar.<\/p>\n<div class=\"page\" title=\"Page 57\">\n<div class=\"layoutArea\">\n<div class=\"column\">\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">N.F.C\u0327.:<\/span> Feto\u0308 ile mu\u0308cadele neden go\u0308sterilerek Yarg\u0131da Birlik Derneg\u0306i kuruldu. Burada sosyal demokratlar, u\u0308lku\u0308cu\u0308ler, muhafazaka\u0302rlar hepsi yer ald\u0131lar. Bize de geldiler. Ancak biz ne hu\u0308ku\u0308met ne cemaat diyerek kendi adaylar\u0131m\u0131z\u0131 go\u0308sterdik. 2014\u2019 te Yarg\u0131da Birlik Derneg\u0306i\u2019nin ekibi kazand\u0131. Ama bizim ac\u0327\u0131m\u0131zdan deg\u0306is\u0327en bir durum olmad\u0131. Bizimle aynen feto\u0308nu\u0308n yo\u0308ntemleriyle mu\u0308cadele ettiler. Onlar yarg\u0131n\u0131n bag\u0306\u0131ms\u0131zl\u0131g\u0306\u0131n\u0131 savundular, biz de yarg\u0131n\u0131n bag\u0306\u0131ms\u0131zl\u0131g\u0306\u0131n\u0131 savunduk. Ama yarg\u0131n\u0131n bag\u0306\u0131ms\u0131zl\u0131g\u0306\u0131ndan anlad\u0131g\u0306\u0131m\u0131z s\u0327ey farkl\u0131yd\u0131. Ve gitgide ismailag\u0306a, menzil gibi cemaatler de yerles\u0327ti ama ben hala feto\u0308cu\u0308lerin de oldug\u0306unu du\u0308s\u0327u\u0308nu\u0308yorum yarg\u0131 ic\u0327inde. Bizim su\u0308rgu\u0308n kararnamelerimizi haz\u0131rlayan hu\u0308ku\u0308metin iki avukat\u0131n\u0131n prensleri olan do\u0308rt tane feto\u0308cu\u0308du\u0308r. Ve bunlar halen I\u0307stanbul\u2019da ve Ankara\u2019 da o\u0308nemli go\u0308revlerdedir. Bu kanaat yarg\u0131sal mu\u0308cadelemiz ic\u0327inde su\u0308rec\u0327 ic\u0327inde olus\u0327mus\u0327tur. Bunlar bir gu\u0308n mutlaka ac\u0327\u0131g\u0306a c\u0327\u0131kacak, es\u0327it o\u0308zgu\u0308r bir ortamda elbette kan\u0131tlar\u0131yla konus\u0327ulacakt\u0131r.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">T.A.:<\/span> S\u0327una deg\u0306inmek istiyorum. 2010 HSK sec\u0327imleri s\u0131ras\u0131nda Demokrat Yarg\u0131 diye bir grup vard\u0131. Bir prestij unsuru olarak bizim cenahtan da bu platforma pozitif bakan insanlar var. Bunlar\u0131n bir k\u0131sm\u0131 2010 referandumunda ac\u0327\u0131kc\u0327a evet bir k\u0131sm\u0131 yetmez ama evet dediler, 2010 HSK sec\u0327imlerinde de hu\u0308ku\u0308met ile dirsek temas\u0131 halindeydiler.<\/p>\n<div class=\"page\" title=\"Page 58\">\n<div class=\"layoutArea\">\n<div class=\"column\">\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">I\u0307ttifak istedikleri gibi olmay\u0131nca kendi bas\u0327lar\u0131na 2-3 tane aday c\u0327\u0131kard\u0131lar. Bunlar hem ideolojik anlamda hem yarg\u0131 ic\u0327inde iktidar\u0131n o\u0308nu\u0308nu\u0308 ac\u0327t\u0131lar. Liberal bir tavr\u0131 temsil eden bu arkadas\u0327lar\u0131n bo\u0308yle bir suc\u0327a, bo\u0308yle bir gu\u0308naha ortak olmalar\u0131 so\u0308z konusu. O nedenle tarihsel durus\u0327, tarihsel c\u0327izgi c\u0327ok o\u0308nemli. Du\u0308s\u0327u\u0308ncenizde ve pratig\u0306inizde zikzaklar c\u0327izip c\u0327izmedig\u0306iniz, gec\u0327mis\u0327te neyi savundug\u0306unuz, ne yapt\u0131g\u0306\u0131n\u0131z, bugu\u0308n nerede durdug\u0306unuz bu hatt\u0131n go\u0308ru\u0308lmesi ac\u0327\u0131s\u0131ndan o\u0308nemli bence. Burada bir s\u0327eyi daha sapma olarak ortaya koymak gerektig\u0306ine inan\u0131yorum. 2014 HSK sec\u0327imlerinde kendine bence t\u0131rnak ic\u0327inde sosyal demokrat diyen, bizim ic\u0327imizden de c\u0327\u0131kanlar var ic\u0327lerinde Yarg\u0131da Birlik Platformu ile hareket ettiler. Bu kis\u0327iler kendini bir yere tas\u0327\u0131ma, kendini kurtarma ad\u0131na bu tutumu sergilediler, biraz go\u0308rmeyerek biraz da kariyerist davrand\u0131lar. Daha sonras\u0131nda pratikte sonucunu go\u0308rdu\u0308ler ve k\u0131sa su\u0308re ic\u0327inde tasfiye edildiler.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">O\u0308zetle yarg\u0131n\u0131n ic\u0327indeki FE TO\u0308 o\u0308rgu\u0308tlenmesinin tamamen tasfiye edildig\u0306ini so\u0308ylemek mu\u0308mku\u0308n deg\u0306ildir. Dernek ve Sendika olarak yapt\u0131g\u0306\u0131m\u0131z go\u0308zlemler ve Bar\u0131s\u0327 Terkog\u0306lu &#8211; Bar\u0131s\u0327 Pehlivan\u2019\u0131n kaleme ald\u0131g\u0306\u0131 Metastaz adl\u0131 kitap vas\u0131tas\u0131yla da dog\u0306rulayabildig\u0306imiz tahminlerimiz c\u0327erc\u0327evesinde yarg\u0131n\u0131n yeni dizayn\u0131nda \u201cHakyol\u201d ve \u201cMenzil\u201d bas\u0327ta olmak u\u0308zere adlar\u0131 kamuoyunca bilinen bas\u0327ka tarikat yap\u0131lar\u0131n\u0131n da yer ald\u0131g\u0306\u0131n\u0131 ve zaman zaman iktidar mu\u0308cadelelerini de ic\u0327eren bir ittifak\u0131n varl\u0131g\u0306\u0131n\u0131 o\u0308ne su\u0308rmek mu\u0308mku\u0308ndu\u0308r.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">B.I\u0307.:<\/span> Bas\u0327ka do\u0308nemlerde farkl\u0131 s\u0327ekilde mu\u0308cadele vermis\u0327 savc\u0131\/ha\u0302kimlere gelmek istiyorum. Ha\u0302kim Remzi S\u0327irin, 12 Mart do\u0308neminde I\u0307stanbul 1 No\u2019lu S\u0131k\u0131yo\u0308netim Mahkemesi K\u0131demli Ha\u0302kimi idi ve hic\u0327 idam karar\u0131 vermedig\u0306i ic\u0327in mahkemesi lag\u0306vedilip su\u0308ru\u0308ldu\u0308. Savc\u0131 Dog\u0306an O\u0308z, 12 Eylu\u0308l\u2019e dog\u0306ru, 70\u2019lerin sonlar\u0131nda oldukc\u0327a o\u0308nemli sorus\u0327turma ve raporlar haz\u0131rlad\u0131, o\u0308zellikle kontrgerilla raporunu haz\u0131rlad\u0131 ve bunlarla savc\u0131 olarak mu\u0308cadele etmeye c\u0327al\u0131s\u0327t\u0131. Gu\u0308nu\u0308mu\u0308zde sizce bu c\u0327apta cesur karar ve raporlar, sorus\u0327turmalar var m\u0131? Yoksa neden yok?<\/p>\n<div class=\"page\" title=\"Page 58\">\n<div class=\"layoutArea\">\n<div class=\"column\">\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">T.A.:<\/span> Biz o geleneg\u0306in devam\u0131y\u0131z. O\u0308rneg\u0306in cumhurbas\u0327kan\u0131na hakaret suc\u0327unu Anayasa Mahkemesi\u2019ne tas\u0327\u0131yan iki yarg\u0131c\u0327 da bizim u\u0308yemiz ve arkadas\u0327\u0131m\u0131z biri s\u0327u an da burada olan Ha\u0302kim I\u0307brahim Fikri Talman, biri de Emekli Hakim Murat Ayd\u0131n. Devletin manevi s\u0327ahs\u0131na hakarette, fikir ac\u0327\u0131klamalar\u0131 temelinde binlerce karar verilmis\u0327tir. Bu durus\u0327 YARSAV ve Yarg\u0131c\u0327lar Sendikas\u0131 c\u0327izgisi durus\u0327udur. Talimat nitelig\u0306indeki emirler, yaz\u0131lar\u0131, kararlar\u0131 tersyu\u0308z eden mahkemeler vard\u0131. Ancakc\u0327og\u0306unluktadeg\u0306il.Budurus\u0327ha\u0302kim unsur deg\u0306ildir. Ama alt\u0131n\u0131 c\u0327izmek o\u0308nemlidir. Zaten ha\u0302kim unsur olsa idi bunlar\u0131 tart\u0131s\u0327\u0131yor olmazd\u0131k. Bizler, YARSAV ve Yarg\u0131c\u0327lar Sendikas\u0131 u\u0308ye, sempatizan ve yo\u0308neticileri olarak bizden daha o\u0308nce mu\u0308cadele etmis\u0327 Savc\u0131 Dog\u0306an O\u0308zlerin, Ha\u0302kim Remzi S\u0327irinlerin, Hocalar\u0131m\u0131z Muammer Aksoy, Ug\u0306ur Mumcu, Ug\u0306ur Alacakaptan, Mu\u0308mtaz Sosyal, Server Tanilli ve Rona Serozanlar\u0131n, Baro Bas\u0327kanlar\u0131 Orhan Apayd\u0131n, Tahir Elc\u0327i, Turgut Kazanlar\u0131n ac\u0327t\u0131g\u0306\u0131 yoldan gidiyoruz. Ha\u0302kim ve savc\u0131lar ac\u0327\u0131s\u0131ndan bizim do\u0308nemimizin ay\u0131r\u0131c\u0131 o\u0308zellig\u0306inin o\u0308rgu\u0308tlenme ve o\u0308rgu\u0308tlu\u0308 mu\u0308cadele oldug\u0306unu so\u0308yleyebiliriz. Eg\u0306er u\u0308lkemizde yarg\u0131n\u0131n demokratikles\u0327mesi sag\u0306lanacak ve hukukun u\u0308stu\u0308nlu\u0308g\u0306u\u0308 tesis edilecekse inan\u0131yoruz ki bu damar, bu anlay\u0131s\u0327 sayesinde olacakt\u0131r. Bu mu\u0308cadele bizden o\u0308nce de vard\u0131 bizden sonra da var olacak yarg\u0131 alan\u0131nda da dig\u0306er alanlarda oldug\u0306u gibi devam edecek. I\u0307leri de yarg\u0131 olmas\u0131 gereken yerde olacaksa bu durus\u0327 bu gelenek bunu yaratabilir diye du\u0308s\u0327u\u0308nu\u0308yoruz. Bizim onlardan fark\u0131m\u0131z ise biz bunu o\u0308rgu\u0308tlu\u0308 bir s\u0327ekilde yap\u0131yoruz. Biz bu o\u0308rgu\u0308tlu\u0308 mu\u0308cadele deneyimimizi bu so\u0308yles\u0327inin hacmine s\u0131g\u0306mayacag\u0306\u0131 ic\u0327in genel manada anlatt\u0131k. Bu su\u0308rec\u0327te tu\u0308rlu\u0308 engellemeler olmus\u0327, yarg\u0131sal mu\u0308cadeleler de verilmis\u0327tir. Go\u0308kten zembille inen bir su\u0308rec\u0327 deg\u0306il birikimli ilerleyen bir mu\u0308cadelenin sonucudur bizim o\u0308rgu\u0308tlu\u0308lu\u0308g\u0306u\u0308mu\u0308z.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">M.B.:<\/span> Tecru\u0308beyle sabittir ki gu\u0308c\u0327 deg\u0306is\u0327kendir. Yarg\u0131 ve u\u0308lkeyi bu hale getiren gu\u0308c\u0327 kendini de tu\u0308ketecektir. Umal\u0131m ki en k\u0131sa su\u0308rede olsun.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">B . I\u0307.:<\/span> Yarg\u0131n\u0131n ve hukukun gu\u0308ncel ve sorun ve durumuna dair konus\u0327tuk. Go\u0308rece daha teorik bir soruyla tamamlamak istiyorum so\u0308yles\u0327imizi. Hukukun ideolojik yo\u0308nu\u0308 ve dig\u0306er u\u0308lke uygulamalar\u0131 da dikkate al\u0131nd\u0131g\u0306\u0131nda, gerc\u0327ek manada ha\u0302kimin bag\u0306\u0131ms\u0131zl\u0131g\u0306\u0131 mu\u0308mku\u0308n mu\u0308du\u0308r?<\/p>\n<div class=\"page\" title=\"Page 59\">\n<div class=\"layoutArea\">\n<div class=\"column\">\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">T.A.:<\/span> S\u0327imdiye kadarki konus\u0327malar\u0131m\u0131z\u0131n temel eksenini olus\u0327turan hukukun u\u0308stu\u0308nlu\u0308g\u0306u\u0308, yarg\u0131n\u0131n bag\u0306\u0131ms\u0131zl\u0131g\u0306\u0131 ve tarafs\u0131zl\u0131g\u0306\u0131, yarg\u0131da k\u0131dem ve liyakat kavramlar\u0131, demokratik bir toplum, demokratik yarg\u0131 isteminin dile getirilmesine ilis\u0327kin kavramlard\u0131r. Demokratik yarg\u0131ya ulas\u0327ma ve hukukun u\u0308stu\u0308nlu\u0308g\u0306u\u0308 mu\u0308cadelesi bizim c\u0327abam\u0131zd\u0131r; bu iyi bir s\u0327eydir, yap\u0131lmal\u0131d\u0131r. Fakat burada yasalar\u0131n politik metinler oldug\u0306unu ve hukukun s\u0131n\u0131fsall\u0131g\u0306\u0131n\u0131 unutmamak gerekir. Yasa, ekonomik ve siyasi gu\u0308cu\u0308 elinde tutan s\u0131n\u0131flar\u0131n istemleriyle paralel olarak c\u0327\u0131kar ve ha\u0302kim ekonomik siyasi yap\u0131 temelinde anlam ve ifadesini bulur. Mumia Ebu Cemal\u2019in referans verdig\u0306i ABD\u2019li Avukat Clarance Darrow\u2019\u0131n (1857-1938) ifadesiyle: \u201cDu\u0308nyan\u0131n sahibi olan insanlar, mu\u0308lklerini korumak ic\u0327in yasa koyar. Mu\u0308lklerinin etraf\u0131na bir nevi c\u0327it veya c\u0327evre o\u0308rerler ve d\u0131s\u0327ar\u0131dan kimsenin ic\u0327eri girmemesi ic\u0327in yasalar yaparlar. Yasalar du\u0308nyas\u0131 yo\u0308netenleri korur. \u201d Bu anlamda yasan\u0131n uygulay\u0131c\u0131lar\u0131 olan ha\u0302kimler ic\u0327in gerc\u0327ek bir bag\u0306\u0131ms\u0131zl\u0131ktan elbette so\u0308z edilemez. Pas\u0327ukanis\u2019in tahlili u\u0308zere, devlet ve hukukun so\u0308nu\u0308mlenmesiyle ha\u0302kim, ha\u0302kim olarak deg\u0306il ama bu\u0308tu\u0308n insanl\u0131g\u0306\u0131n bir parc\u0327as\u0131 olarak gerc\u0327ek bag\u0306\u0131ms\u0131zl\u0131g\u0306\u0131na kavus\u0327acakt\u0131r. Burada demokratik yarg\u0131 mu\u0308cadelesinin hukukun so\u0308nu\u0308mlenmesi perspektifini kaybetmeden yu\u0308ru\u0308tu\u0308lebileceg\u0306ini saptamak san\u0131r\u0131m yanl\u0131s\u0327 olmayacakt\u0131r.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">I\u0307. F. T.:<\/span> Klasik Marksist go\u0308ru\u0308s\u0327 ac\u0327\u0131s\u0131ndan yarg\u0131 u\u0308st yap\u0131 kurumudur. Temel ekonomik altyap\u0131dan bag\u0306\u0131ms\u0131z deg\u0306ildir. Belirleyeni altyap\u0131d\u0131r. Dolay\u0131s\u0131yla yarg\u0131c\u0131n bag\u0306\u0131ms\u0131zl\u0131g\u0306\u0131 da bu c\u0327erc\u0327eveyle s\u0131n\u0131rl\u0131d\u0131r. S\u0327u an da devletten bag\u0306\u0131ms\u0131z bir yarg\u0131 du\u0308s\u0327u\u0308nu\u0308lemiyor. Ancak devletin var olmad\u0131g\u0306\u0131 bir sosyal ekonomik du\u0308zende yarg\u0131c\u0131n da tam bag\u0306\u0131ms\u0131zl\u0131g\u0306\u0131 sag\u0306lanabilecektir. Tam demokratik toplumda yarg\u0131c\u0131n nispi bir bag\u0306\u0131ms\u0131zl\u0131g\u0306\u0131 vard\u0131r.<\/p>\n<div class=\"page\" title=\"Page 59\">\n<div class=\"layoutArea\">\n<div class=\"column\">\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">B.I\u0307.:<\/span> Son olarak tu\u0308m bu konus\u0327tuklar\u0131m\u0131za dair neler so\u0308ylemek istersiniz?<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">N.F.C\u0327.:<\/span> Ben hem yarg\u0131n\u0131n hem de Tu\u0308rkiye\u2019deki kos\u0327ullar\u0131n du\u0308zeleceg\u0306inden umutluyum. Bu bir su\u0308rec\u0327 ve mu\u0308cadele is\u0327i. Hic\u0327bir hukuksuzluk ebedi deg\u0306il. S\u0327unu da belirtmek istiyorum gu\u0308c\u0327 deg\u0306is\u0327imleri, mu\u0308ttefik deg\u0306is\u0327ikliklerinin oldug\u0306u bir do\u0308nemde herkesin en bu\u0308yu\u0308k teminat\u0131 yarg\u0131sal ac\u0327\u0131dan bizim go\u0308ru\u0308s\u0327u\u0308mu\u0308zdeki ha\u0302kim ve savc\u0131lard\u0131r. Bu adil yarg\u0131lanma faaliyeti ac\u0327s\u0131ndan bo\u0308yledir.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">T.A.:<\/span> Az o\u0308nce belirttig\u0306imiz gibi iktidara go\u0308re konjonktu\u0308rel tav\u0131r alan yarg\u0131 yap\u0131s\u0131, siyasal konjonktu\u0308ru\u0308n deg\u0306is\u0327mesiyle yeni do\u0308nu\u0308s\u0327ler yapacakt\u0131r. Bir arkadas\u0327\u0131m\u0131z\u0131n so\u0308zu\u0308 ha\u0302kim ve savc\u0131lar kadar konjonktu\u0308ru\u0308 iyi koklayan meslek grubu go\u0308rmedim diyordu ve bu gerc\u0327ekten trajikomik bir durum bo\u0308yle olmamas\u0131 gerekiyor. Bu diktato\u0308ryal evrenin son evrelerini yas\u0327ad\u0131g\u0306\u0131m\u0131za inan\u0131yorum. Yarg\u0131n\u0131n demokratikles\u0327mesi, kurumsal yap\u0131lar\u0131n olus\u0327mas\u0131, belli geleneklerin olus\u0327mas\u0131, k\u0131dem ve liyakatin belli bir gelenek olarak olmazsa olmaz olmas\u0131 su\u0308recinin u\u0308ru\u0308nu\u0308 olacak.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">I\u0307.F.T.:<\/span> Bu su\u0308rec\u0327 Osman Bo\u0308lu\u0308kbas\u0327\u0131\u2019n\u0131n bir so\u0308zu\u0308nu\u0308 akl\u0131ma getiriyor. \u201cDu\u0308n so\u0308vdu\u0308klerini bugu\u0308n o\u0308venler, du\u0308n o\u0308vdu\u0308klerine bugu\u0308n so\u0308venler go\u0308stermis\u0327tir ki ko\u0308pekler her avc\u0131 ile ava c\u0327\u0131karlar.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">M.B.:<\/span> S\u0327unu belirtmek gerek bizim sendikal mu\u0308cadelemiz ic\u0327inde bizler ve bizler gibi durus\u0327 sergileyenler birc\u0327ok sorus\u0327turma gec\u0327irdi ve hala da gec\u0327iriyor. Ancak hala bizlere bas\u0327 eg\u0306diremediler. Bizi kendilerine tabi k\u0131lamad\u0131lar.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">B.I\u0307.:<\/span> Birlikte ve o\u0308rgu\u0308tlu\u0308 bir mu\u0308cadele ile daha ayd\u0131nl\u0131k gu\u0308nlerin geleceg\u0306ine inanc\u0131m\u0131z tam. Bu gu\u0308zel sohbet ic\u0327in tes\u0327ekku\u0308r ederiz.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Yay\u0131n kurulu u\u0308yemiz Avukat Bengisu I\u0307c\u0327ten Tu\u0308rkiye\u2019de yarg\u0131n\u0131n durumu ve do\u0308nu\u0308s\u0327u\u0308mu\u0308, bu su\u0308rec\u0327teki yarg\u0131c\u0327 ve savc\u0131 mu\u0308cadelesi, o\u0308rgu\u0308tlenme deneyimleri ve bu mu\u0308cadele sonucu kars\u0327\u0131 kars\u0327\u0131ya kal\u0131nan su\u0308rgu\u0308n ve bask\u0131lara ilis\u0327kin olarak Emekli Ha\u0302kim Tamer Akgo\u0308kc\u0327e, Naciye Fu\u0308sun C\u0327ag\u0306lar, Mustafa Bag\u0306arkas\u0131 ve halen go\u0308rev yapmakta olan Ha\u0302kim I\u0307brahim Fikri Talman ile bir so\u0308yles\u0327i gerc\u0327ekles\u0327tirdi. 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